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From: [e-mail] (wjm)
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Subject: Let's Build and Share a VB lib!
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    Here is an idea floating in my head for a few months. From several
messages, I sense other readers also want to do the same thing. How about
building a VB library? Lets collect all reuseable routines and put in a
VB module and distribute it on this group twice a month. I have found myself
reinvent wheels in my project. I have a dozen routines to start with. Does
anyone interesting in building the InterBase.BAS?

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From: [e-mail] (Shahram Sadeghi)
Subject: Re: SQL query question
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In article <2laerd$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robb Shecter) writes:

>     So, is there a way to "quote the quote"?  Sort of a C or
>     unix style \' ?
>

Write it with two single quote characters.

Example:  I can''t

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From: [e-mail] (Eric Desch)
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That worked perfectly, thanks for your help.

-Eric
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From: [e-mail] (Shyam Subramanyan)
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Subject: VBX for Text -> Access/Paradox?
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Are there any VBXes which can read delimited ascii files and create
a Access or Paradox database from it?  I am looking for any
commercial/Shareware VBXes that can do this.

Thanks for any info in advance....

Shyam Subramanyan
[e-mail]

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From: "Paul D. Morris" <[e-mail]>
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>>Q: Do people use VB for commercial application development. Would (a
commercial developer) have any reason to choose VB over C/C++ ?

>there's talk about a vb version for the Mac, but otherwise, you're stuck
>with windows.  vb is not the language of choice for cross-platform
>development.

>>Q: Finally, how does Visual Basic differ from Visual C++ ?

>the only thing thet have in common is the word "visual."

I have heard differing opinions in comparing VB with VC/C++.  I have
read in VB books where the product is suggested to be simpler and more
powerful than C++.  Among those who suggest this is Peter Norton.

Comments?

Paul
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Definitely simpler than VC++ but I'm not sure about more powerful, esp. w/ VC++
v.1.5 out now (OLE 2 server & ODBC). I still prefer to develop in VB because
its a lot quicker and simpler!

Craig Eddy
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Foster of Borg)
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Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I was unable to locate a FAQ or any
threads discussing this particular problem. In a nutshell, I need
to have a number of machines (11 so far) all appending data to an
Access 1.1 table as fast as they can, but those pesky "record
locked" errors keep throwing a spanner in the works. The Access
Basic loop looks a little bit like this:

Dim i As Long : i = 0
Dim DB As Database : Set DB = OpenDatabase("\\server\volume\path\results.mdb")
Dim T As Table : Set T = DB.OpenTable("really big table")

BeginTrans
Do Until HellFreezesOver
    T.AddNew    ' This often causes a "record locked" error
    T.[timestamp] = Now
    T.[who] = NetworkMachineName() ' don't ask
    T.[x] = GetXSomehow()
    T.[y] = GetYSomehow()
    T.[z] = GetZSomehow()
    T.Update
    i = i + 1
    If ((i and 511) = 511) Then
        CommitTrans
        BeginTrans
    End If
Loop
CommitTrans

T.Close
DB.Close

I do the BeginTrans/CommitTrans stuff because that seems to help
speed things up a bit. Also, SHARE.EXE is configured for 3000
locks and a 4000 byte buffer. The "really big table" has one or
two indexes, both allowing duplicate values, on it.

Is there a way to make the "record locked" problem go away short
of buying a RDBMS server and hoping ODBC won't slow things down
too much? Simply catching the error and resuming the failed
statement works, but this could lead to a starvation problem,
since the error could trigger an arbitrary number of times in
between successful AddNew's.

Thanks!

--
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Subject: Translating VB Strings
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I would like to distribute my app in German.

What would be the best way to find and translate the literal strings
(menus, dialog captions, etc.) in my VB program.

Please mail your suggestions to [e-mail]
Thanks in advance for your help.

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Can anyone comment on VXBs which implement an edit control which
operates on Rich Text Formatted (RTF) text.  The control should
allow multiple fonts, character attributes (bold, italic, etc.)
at a minimum.

Please mail comments to [e-mail]
I'll post a summary.
Thanks in advance for your help.

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From: [e-mail] (Corey Prator)
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Does anyone know of a general purpose Wizard  that I could integrate into my
VB app?

I am looking for something that could follBLKBOX                                                                                                                           8      03-05-9422:03ALL                      COREY PRATOR             ?General Purpose Wizard?             28      5     ß--
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From: [e-mail] (Damien Lewis)
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[e-mail] (Kaare Digernes) writes:


>Can anyone recommend books on using Visual Basic to build front-
>ends to SQL databases? Books on C/C++ with SQL is also of great
>interest. Thanks.

In reply to your question, I purchased one yesterday called:
  Database Developer's Guide with Visual Basic 3.
  Published by SAMS  ISBN 0-672-30440-6

This is a very fat book and it contains heaps. Not for the beginner though.
If you are a serious database developer I would recommend it.

regards,

Damien ([e-mail])
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From: [e-mail] (FORSEILLES STEPHAN)
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Subject: Re: Combo box/List box to select record
Date: 6 Mar 1994 09:36:44 GMT
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Steve Wiser ([e-mail]) wrote:
: George Tatge <[e-mail]> writes:
:
: >Yes, there are LOTS of 3rd party addons that provide bound list/combo boxes.
: >Sheridan and Crescent to name two.
:
: If you were to use CA-Realizer you would not have had to purchase these
: addons.  Their there for your use.
: Steve

    Tell me, do you use Realizer? I wonder if it's possible to create
a simple database with some filds in it (say 2 ints, 1 date and 1 text for
example) and only one index and use it easily? I don't wanna have to
do index files and sorting myself, no time to waste for that.

    Thanks!



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From: Stephen Heilbronner <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]> writes:
> Path:
isar.de!colin.muc.de!regent!lrz-muenchen.de!fauern!news.th-darmstadt.de!su
rz03.hrz.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.belwue.de!news.dfn.de!scsing.switch.ch!sgcl1.
unisg.ch!tregilgas
> From: [e-mail]
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> Subject: FileSize/DiskSize-how to find?
> Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
> Date: 2 Mar 94 16:01:41 MET
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>
> Hello,
>
>     How can one obtain such banal information such as:
>
>     Bytes left on disk
>     FileSize in bytes
>
>     and the like?  I'd prefer to be able to do this in VB code, and
not
> using a VBX or DOS, if it is at all possible.  Any information would be
greatly
> appreciated!
>
> Tia,
> Tom [e-mail] University of St. Gallen, Switzerland

I used functions from the SETUPKIT.DLL provided with VB 3. In order
to get around conflicts with the Setup Wizard I made a copy calling
it SETUPKT.DLL and distributing it with my apps. Since SETUPKIT.DLL
can be distributed freely I assumed that this is legally ok.

The function declarations are in the Setup WIzard source files (dont
remember where.)

There is also some naqware on cica, but for theses simple purposes
the SETUPKIT.DLL is much better.

Cheers,
Stephen
<[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail] (Hein Ragas)
Subject: Re: Announcing VB Programmer's Aid (in DEV)
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[e-mail] (Stuart 'TheCube' Herbert) writes:

>Specifically, support for auto-save (guess who lost a day's work when a
>parser I wrote looped forever :-( ) and for revision control.  I suggest
>using RCS as the revision control mechanism.  But some way of it being
>integrated into the developement environment would be damn useful.
 It's already there. Look at Options under General.
There is an option called "Save before Run", or something like that. Set it
to Yes, and viola!

>A core library of functions which VB'ers can freely use to save them inventing
>the wheel.  I'm thinking myself of knocking up a 'C Lib' to add all those
>handy routines I can use from C but which VB lacks.

Yes, we really need that.

Greets,
  Hein
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HI all,
    Is there an easy to to print a form so it fills a whole page, both from
in the code and while editing (ie. CTRL-P)? I saw the long routine in the
Knowledge Base that looked like it might work, but it's only useful during
execution (or that's how I interpreted it). I'm printing to an HP LJ3...

Zach
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (wjm) says:

>    Here is an idea floating in my head for a few months. From several
>messages, I sense other readers also want to do the same thing. How about
>building a VB library? Lets collect all reuseable routines and put in a
>VB module and distribute it on this group twice a month. I have found myself
>reinvent wheels in my project. I have a dozen routines to start with. Does
>anyone interesting in building the InterBase.BAS?

This sounds like a great idea!  Experience has shown that I'm much more
efficient when I have a library of routines to draw from, but it's always
a pain to "generalise" a function sufficiently.  The bonus of getting
'other' people's routines would be a good impetus though!

Also, maybe each time a question on how to do something gets asked, the
various answers could be collected into a set of sample programs?  Anyone
out there willing to donate a gopher hole to make the stuff easily accesible?

Doug Merrett
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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hermansen)
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Subject: Re: Seeking advice on a tiny little UI design question
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>where the underbar on the left is drawn as a 1-pixel line the same
width
>as the checkbox's box.  The label looks just like the checkbox label.
In
>the checked state, I will draw a (one-pixel wide, black) check mark
above
>the underbar.
>
>Comments?  Ideas?

I think I would just set the forecolor property of my label text to gray
and set a regular check box's enabled property to false.  As long as it
were clear that each label was associated with a check box to the left
of it or right of it, then I think it would be fairly obvious and this
method is more "Windows-standard".

I guess what I don't like about the underbar is that at first glance I
wouldn't be sure if it was meant to be clicked on or not, even though
I'd figure it out quickly enough and not click on it.  But if I see
grayed-out text, that's consistent with other elements like menu items.
Another thing you might want to do to get rid of the checkbox completely
is have the label appear with a colon after it and then the property
like "Property: True"--all of it grayed.

I gues Microsoft has got me pea-whipped.  I'm completely dead to
innovation and only seek to conform to existing standards. :>

-Erik Hermansen
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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hermansen)
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In article <2l759j$[e-mail]>,
C.Coulson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am currently trying to write a network game like duneII.  I  am
>trying  to make the playing area 4 screens of 200 icons.  eg  the
>icon can either be a sand icon or a warrior icon or a tank  icon.
>
>The  only  trouble is that the VB3.0 system will  only  allow  an
>array of max. 335 icons ; A shame since I wanted *800* <g>!   Any
>ideas how i can implement this?
>
>The  only idea I have had is to have 4 arrays of 200 but I  would
>prefer not to!
>
>
>Thanks for any help!
>
>If  you  are interested in helping me my *messy* source  code  is
>public domain
>
>--
>Wolverhampton University, England.


How are you implementing your array for your tiles?

Although they probably weren't thinking about it, Microsoft put in some
really useful controls for creating scrolling games when they made VB.
The two that I'm thinking about are the grid and picture clip controls.

I store all of my tiles in one .BMP and then I set a picture clip
control to the bitmap and access them that way.  This method makes for
easy editing of the icons in PAINTBRUSH or some editor.  Though I
haven't implemented completely a map with more than 256 tiles (I like to
store each grid cell as 1 byte) a quick test of setting the properties
of the control to higher values does work.

If you aren't already using the grid control--I'd take a look at it.  It
moves much faster than a bunch of picture or image boxes arranged
together, though its a little slow to load into and the largest size you
can have is 300 rows by 300 columns.  You have to also keep a separate
array to keep track of the bitmap contents of the grid.

Good idea to make to source code public domain--look at NetHack.  One
other suggestion I'd make--have an IRC capability that would let you
play on an IRC channel.  That way you could always find a number of
players to play the game against.

Dune II is a great game.  I think the key to its design is that the
elements are smart enough to alleviate the complexity of controlling a
great number of them.

-Erik Hermansen
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In Article <2laj5k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Sean
Kirkpatrick) wrote:
>Kevin H. Hunt x7343 ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: Recently I requested a local college, at which I teach part-time, to
>: purchase some copies of VBDOS.  I wanted them install the copies in
>: their PC labs, at the cost of $30/copy, for my students to use.
>...
>
>: -------------
>
>I too teach at a local community college, and am beginning to put together
>a proposal for a new VB-Win class.  I am first interested in knowing what
>you think should be taught in such a class.
>
>More to the point, at $30, the cost of the VB-DOS compiler is a bargain.  It
>is my opinion that rather than having a student spend that much or more for
>a textbook of sometimes questionable value (many of the programming texts
>that I've seen are horrible), it is a much better return on their dollar
>to have a full blown compiler, along with the mfr's documentation (in
>particular, a language reference manual) to keep at the end of the class.
>At another college, each CS student bought a copy of Turbo Pascal that lasted
>...
>I bought VB-Win for less than $90.00.  That's pretty steep for lots of
>students, but I have two in my QBASIC class this semester that opted to
>do their assignments in VB-Win, and they feel that spending the money was
>well worth it.
>
>
>Cheers!
>
>        Sean
>
I teach at a small university & every time I teach BASIC, I grit my teeth &
bare with it because unless the students have their own copy of QBASIC, the
only thing the school will provide for them is GWBasic on duel floppy
computers w/ no hard drive!!!  I 've been trying to get VBWin or VBDO
implemented because I feel that it is a waste of time & a dis-service to the
students not to provide them with the option of learning "state ot the art"
technology.  I see more & more jobs requiring VB and feel so bad teaching
things which are several years behind the times.  GUI is the future & I feel
that learning VB gives immediate feed back & allows the student to
concentrate on the underlying principles of programming without getting
bogged down with the interface or with the synax of the language such as in C.
Well, thank you for allowing me to add my $0.02 worth

Sue T